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From Armando Fox's blog:

And I’m also inspired by Prof. Jennifer Widom’s blog post “from 100 students to 100,000” about her recent experience teaching her Intro to Databases course at this scale. I found myself mentally saying “+1″ to a lot of her statements, such as “Creating these [multiple-choice but nontrivial] exams, at just the right level, turned out to be one of the most challenging tasks of the entire endeavor”; “having 60,000 students is the need for absolute perfection: not one tiny flaw or ambiguity goes unnoticed”; and the emails from students who were “unabashedly, genuinely, deeply appreciative” (her emphasis).

We’ve received a few nice emails like that too, although like Prof. Widom, we’ve also (already!) got a handful of complainers. So far, because there isn’t much actual content to complain about yet (the course just launched yesterday), most of those have been either about the fact that the book is not readily available in their country (to which I’m sympathetic) or the fact that it isn’t free (to which I’m not). One person was wondering why we aren’t paying them to give us feedback on this early version. (I guess this person doesn’t post reviews on Amazon or Yelp either, unless those companies have a payola system I don’t know about.)

http://www.armandofox.com/geek/2012/02/apprehensive-but-inspired-by-jennifer-widoms-blog-and-no-the-book-isnt-free/

asked 22 Feb, 01:40

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Can We try to maintain the tones down in our posts, and choose more carefully the words we use? Don't forget that translating them to other languages/cultures some words we commonly use without thinking can be very (VERY) "offensive"

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answered 22 Feb, 08:18

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I think this comment from Jennifer Widom addresses a number of questions regarding the impact of the online courses on Stanford.

Meanwhile back on the campus front, the Stanford students worked through exactly the same materials as the public students (except for the multiple-choice exams), but they did get something more for their money: hand-graded written problems with more depth than the automated exercises, a significant programming project, traditional written exams, and classroom activities ranging from interactive problem-solving to presentations by data architects at Facebook and Twitter. There's no question that the Stanford students were satisfied: I've taught the course enough times to know that the uptick in my teaching ratings was statistically significant.

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answered 22 Feb, 10:31

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I haven't done enough of SaaS yet to have a strong opinion of the course yet, but I will say I greatly appreciate the way Armando Fox has been communicating his experiences with the online course. That combined with things like his efforts to get access to commercial tools (like AWS) and his appearance (and the specifics of his answer) in the thread http://www.aiqus.com/questions/37291/legacy-code-assignment-not-for-us make me believe that even if there are bumps in SaaS they will get it right in the end.

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answered 22 Feb, 10:38

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OK, that actually in encouraging, I somehow missed the fact he came here to answer a question.

If all the videos are not yet recorded, they still have time to improve on the video content, length and quizzes, but the latter can be tough to come up with meaningful and really useful questions in limited time.

(22 Feb, 10:50) Gundega ♦♦ Gundega's gravatar image

And another Jennifer Widom comment which addresses some popular discussion topics ;-)

Were there any negatives to the experience? Naturally there were a few complainers. For example, in my screenside chats I often referred to the "eager beavers" who were working well ahead of the schedule, and the "procrastinators" who were barely meeting deadlines. Most students enjoyed self-identifying into the categories (some eager-beavers even planned to make T-shirts), but a few procrastinators objected to the term, pointing out that they were squeezing the course between a full-time job or two and significant family obligations. A number of students were disappointed by the low-tech, non-Stanford-endorsed "statement of accomplishment" they received at the end; despite ample warnings from the start, apparently some students were still expecting official certification. I can't help but wonder if some of those students were the same ones who cheated; I did appear to have quite a number of secondary accounts created expressly for achieving a perfect score. I made it clear from the start that I was assuming students were in it to learn, and cheating was not something I planned to prevent or even think about. Of course in the long run of online education, the interrelated topics of certification and cheating will need to be addressed.

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answered 22 Feb, 10:42

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I don't like the way this is going compared to other classes. But I will try to give the course a fair review without the book, which may be hard given that the book is considered somewhat essential to following the class as intended (except for those who already have some knowledge of Rails or web development)

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answered 22 Feb, 02:23

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There is more information on Ruby, Rails and Web Development on the internet than you could read in a dozen lifetimes. All you have to do is Google for it.

(22 Feb, 03:13) jholyhead jholyhead's gravatar image

dozen lifetimes for the advanced stuff perhaps, but for good introductory material the selection is much smaller, and that's what I will be comparing the course material with.

(22 Feb, 03:23) prusswan prusswan's gravatar image

no. A child could (and they often do) teach themselves RoR from the resources on the web. There are dozens of free resources that go from no programming knowledge to advanced knowledge of Rails.

Stop making excuses for yourself.

(22 Feb, 03:29) jholyhead jholyhead's gravatar image
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@jholyhead I think you are seriously mistaken and should take your misplaced angst somewhere else, my intention is simply to compare the material against other published books on Rails that I have already read. I am not saying you cannot find free resources, but there's no point comparing them against paid products. Are you trying to make excuses for a paid product that is no better than some freely available resource?

(22 Feb, 03:48) prusswan prusswan's gravatar image

There are entire best-selling published books on rails available on the web for free. This is not news to anyone who has googled 'Rails Tutorial' or 'Rails Guide' or 'Rails Book Free'.

I'm not mistaken, I'm just not lazy either.

(22 Feb, 04:02) jholyhead jholyhead's gravatar image

@jholyhead So how can you tell they are "best-selling" when they are available for "free"? Sorry for the less than friendly response, but after looking at your other answers, I can pretty much spot a troll. I guess you can chalk this up somewhere that suits you better.

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There are published books made of paper that the author has chosen to make available online for free.

http://ruby.railstutorial.org/ruby-on-rails-tutorial-book

(22 Feb, 04:23) jholyhead jholyhead's gravatar image

Free online course: http://www.rubylearning.org/class/, also check out : http://www.codeschool.com/ & ruby in 20 mins: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/quickstart/ or even this google search: http://bit.ly/xvY32P (way too long in original)

(22 Feb, 05:57) The_Cthulhu_Kid The_Cthulhu_Kid's gravatar image
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